Note: I amplified the sound but YouTube is having technical problems today, so you can download a copy of the video here: S.C.D.D and Paws for Life (Better Audio Quality).
The original can be found here: S.C.D.D and Paws for Life – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IkA2v4iR7rs
Thanks for the phone numbers. I got a call today AGAIN from a lady who thought she was calling Paws For Life. At least now, I have numbers to refer them to.
Thanks for this extremely important information. ALL Rescues should be allowed to pull these dogs.
But Carol, what if the pound doesn’t want trouble dealing with all the rescues in quebec? They are a pound, not a shelter and it took so much time for PFL to establish a relationship in order to save animals from there, cause they didn’t want to deal with it, they didn’t want the headaches. DO you think the pound cares about the animals? DO you think they tell themselves “No we will only deal with registered charities not indepandent rescuers..” They don;t care! Isn’t it better one rescue than nothing, for the moment? If the pound only wants to work with one rescue group right now, is it PFL’s fault?
Carol you’re an animal activist no? I am too ! So i’m not understanding why you;re siding with people who want to see PFL go down. I fostered so many animals from this pound through PFL along with friends of mine, we got the dogs vetted and sterilized and found them amazing homes. I’m in contact with so many foster homes who are just loving their foster dog and trying to find them great homes. Don’t you think it’s better that the fate these animals were about to endure? When i think that any of my fosters or any dog i transported to foster homes from there were heading tot he gas chamber i just want to cry.
I agree we all have to stand together to ban the gas chamber, but everything Sophie is doing is not standing together and if someone pays for it in the end, it will be the animals. Not Melissa, Melissa has a college degree and could just go find a job tomorrow, but if that happens THE ANIMALS ARE THE ONES WHO WILL SUFFER.
This recording just confirms the illegitimacy of this rescue and this pound. What shelter in their right mind would not allow a registered rescue group to pull for a lower fee, regardless of who they are. The fact that they insist that any rescue deal with the group they deal with..is just…well WEIRD! The sketchiness behind this whole situation is disturbing but also is reaffirming what many before have been saying about Paws For Life. I get very upset by people who say, well who cares, they are helping these animals! Take a step back and ask yourself again if they really are helping these animals, and the future of animal welfare in Quebec? Paws for Life is pulling these animals, sticking them anywhere (fosters for PFL are only victims because of their open hearts) all the while giving money to pounds and puppymills who keep the circle of pain, suffering, over population and ignorance alive and well in Quebec. It is also insulting for rescues who rescue for the right reasons and the right way. The laws are wrong, no one is arguing that but it is the responsibility of a rescue to do justice for the animal and for the future of animals in Quebec.
I agree with you 100%.
Say what you wanna say justine, we are not sticking them anywhere, we are “sticking” them with people who want to do their part for the animals, who want to have another pet at home but not necessarily permanently. We don’t guilt anyone into having a foster animal and we don’t give an animal to anyone unless we have all their information. Really sad that people who claim they are rescuers don’t wanna see animals getting rescued. I’m proud of what i do with PFL, i’m proud that i open my home to a homeless animal one at a time, care for it, get it vetted and find it a great home, i’m proud and hate me for it if you want to i don’t think i could care less, its all about the animals. When people who were interested in our animals tell us they have rescued through another rescue org we say thank you so much for rescuing and saving a life, we don’t blast them because they have different policies and work in a different way. If you wanna blast why don’t you blast puppy mills and pet shops who sell pets? Wouldn’t that be a more worthy fight in your mind?
Reading this post after a hard days with the rescue, it’s obvious to me that a dog is just a “thing” to you since this wonderful dog that you rescued, fostered, cared for and found a home for is just an “it”. He’s not a he, she’s not a she, it’s an it. I think that says it all. When you do things for the animal and not for the “glory” of being a rescuer, you would NEVER refer to a pet as an “it”. This “thing” you found a home for will hopefully not end up on the curb with their TV, when and if they ever decide they don’t want “it” anymore.
God help his/her poor soul, may he or she have found a true home that does not refer to him/her as “it”.
-Sophie
Since the SCDD allowed the interview, why was this recording pulled? We have a right to “freedom of speech”. People have to know what goes on behind these dark dungeon walls! Quebec has been in the dark for far too long. These high-kill pounds are kept hidden just like the puppy mills. Paws for Life is not the only person who has a deal with these high-kill pounds. Who/what are you going to protect – the broker who pulls the animals or the future for the animals? This circle of suffering and the deals with the devil must end now! It is the time to act and abolish these horrific gas chambers. ONLY TOGETHER, WILL WE SUCCEED !
The SCDD never allowed this interview to be recorded, however for as long as 1 of the involved parties in the discussion agrees to the recording it becomes legal as it’s not listening in to a third party conversation.
The SCDD flagged the video on YouTube for privacy concerns, however the video does not violate YouTube policies, so the video won’t be pulled.
-Rick
I am very happy that this recording has been released. People have to know what goes on behind these dark dungeon walls! Quebec has been in the dark for far too long. These high-kill pounds are kept hidden just like the puppy mills. Paws for Life is not the only person who has a deal with these high-kill pounds. Who/what are you going to protect – the broker who pulls the animals or the future for the animals? This circle of suffering and the deals with the devil must end now! It is the time to act and abolish these horrific gas chambers. ONLY TOGETHER, WILL WE SUCCEED !
SCDD has requested that I remove this video as he was unaware I was recording. Since this ain’t being used in court the point of this recording is to expose the industry as whole. The more people hear this things will change. Sophie brought back a dog on his way to this pound and after hearing this the lady surrendered her dog to Sophie instead as this pound had reassured her they would not put this dog down because of his breed, when she had called them that morning because it was the official pound for her district.
-Rick
I will get back to you A.S.A.P. regarding the removal of the recording. CVPA had an expert consultant and he/she will advise.
I’ll post the youtube email when I get home. I’m not worried. YouTube will review the video in 48hrs as I ain’t removing it and it’s been flagged. That’s why I made a local copy people can download. It’s on the net to stay. They can take me to court I’m not worried as I have nothing to lose.
-Rick
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So I’m not worried :D
No personal information was revealed, I didn’t even know the dudes name who’s voice we hear until after he contacted YouTube LoL… (Not that it would stop me) I released various info on the mtlpets.com site, and that site belongs to a defunct numbered quebec inc. (Not sure what I’ll do with that yet), But I considered putting it under Paws for Life, since that name is still available :D If the video’s did violate YouTube policies I would just upload elsewhere hehe. The reason I used YouTube is people are most likely ok with clicking YT links, rather then downloading .mp4 files and YT deals with the bandwidth bills…
I could upload to Facebook but it’s like Craigslist too easy to flag with fake accounts, but I still trust Google (YouTube) somewhat as I was able to capture, edit, upload all this using an Android phone. :D
-Rick
If YouTube has a problem with the S.C.D.D video/audio and not this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYTxuW2vmzk
I’ll fall off my chair…
-Rick
This server hosting Sophie’s site and mtlpets.com is also in the US (NYC) so it’s under US laws :) Free Speech… They need an American law firm to shut it down :D The firm who owns the server is me :D
-Rick
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Title:(pets) They will die if not helped (saint-hubert)
Please dont’ do stuff like that. These dogs are not about to die in a few days, this is a tactic Paws for Life uses to get people to get these dogs out, make a buck while they’re at it, and in the end most of these dogs are just being saved temporarily as Paws for Life has no plan once they are out. The people who help out these poor dogs, have to BE READY TO ASSUME ALL COSTS AND PROBLEMS?ISSUES as Paws for Life only finds good hearts to take these dogs in, then sticks you with them.
This pound confirmed today that Paws for Life claims they are to be “gassed” the next day or in a few days, this is NOT TRUE. You can hear an audio on You Tube (SCDD and Paws for Life)….
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No you’re right, not all dogs will be gassed tomorrow, that’ not what we claim either, only the ones that have been there the longest once the pound gets full which is tomorrow if the pound is almost full since animals come in every single day. And no, we don’t rescue them all, last week we couldn’t get to 2 poor dogs in time because we didn’t have a plan for them.
Also, we put a reply in our defense and it was flagged and removed, we have the proof as well, so please stop wasting your flagging posts on craigslist.
As I wrote before regarding craigslist…
“You guys flagged down my posts, I’ll flag down everything PFL related, that’s the price you guys get to pay for trying to keep me quiet… Can anyone post anything with the words PFL (Paws for Life) or SCDD now? :D I guess Craigslist agreed that SCDD sold animals using PFL. Or perhaps they just go tired of the 1000+ flags in 24hrs.
PFL lost Craiglist as a medium for communications, I’ll make sure every post gets flagged, theirs networks of people that have nothing better to do then flagging posts. They build communities around it. Being in the ISP business, it only takes me two clicks to share a link into said networks.
If you guys didn’t leave me use craigslist, why would I let you guys use it?”
-Rick
Here are the links once again…
This is why supporting said pounds as a “rescue” is wrong.
http://www.bestfriends.org/nomorehomelesspets/pdf/shelteringispointless.pdf
http://www.bestfriends.org/nomorehomelesspets/resourcelibrary/consequences.cfm
http://www.bestfriends.org/nomorehomelesspets/pdf/mercy.pdf
http://www.helpinghomelesspets.com/codeofethics/canine/index.htm
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Date:2010-10-23 10:46:45
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Title:(pets) Re: The Truth about PFL and SCDD
To the person who posted this ridiculously long post about my “vendetta” against Paws for Life.
THE TRUTH IS: Dogs die everyday in Quebec, and often by gas as this is the retarded methods we still use in this Province. However, my problem with Paws for Life is the following: DOGS DIE IN POUNDS EVERYDAY. The idea is not to mass-pull them out to “save” them, it is to save them FOREVER> If you’re going to pull a dog off death row, and stick him/her in worst conditions or the unknown where they could end up back on deathrow for a second time, it is not right. The idea of you “saving” these dogs, is that you are really “picking and planting” them from one place to another.
THAT IS NOT RESCUE.
Other point – WHY DOES THIS POUND HAVE TO BE SO SECRETIVE? I deal with pounds, there are NO pull fees for dogs on death row, so why does SCDD want to charge full price for a dog they would kill, instead of letting a Registered Rescue Organization take them out for the same price as they let Paws for Life take them out? My point is SOMEONE IS MAKING A BUCK OFF THESE ANIMALS, that someone is Paws for Life and SCDD. We all know that SCDD’s goal is TO MAKE MONEY, they are a business. What no one understands is why Paws for Life has to make a buck while saving dogs? THIS IS NOT RESCUE PEOPLE.;
I AM NOT SAYING I WANT THESE ANIMALS TO DIE, I am saying if you are going to rescue, do so with a plan, not like a jerk mass pulling animals that have no decent place to go. Does Paws for Life even know where these dogs go? Do you do any screening?
Why does Melissa have to pull dogs from this particular pound? There are 100’s in Quebec who would willingly contact you with dogs on death row. They contact me, funny they wouldn’t want to deal with you? Why not?
SCDD is unfortunately a death-row facility for all Quebec animal dumpees, but Melissa CANNOT save them all, and yes, dogs and cats die daily in Quebec. Let’s change the laws and educate the population instead of helping pounds make a buck. Just like the first time she got into “rescue”, when Melissa said to me “I want to do like you, make money at rescue”, I did tell her DON”T QUIT YOUR HIGH PAYING DAY JOB./ She had no clue that buying a litter of puppies from a puppymill was in fact “not helping”. She didn’t even know if they were to eat solid foods and what “de-wormer” was. So tell me Paws for Life is doing fantastic work, they are helping the bad people MAKE A BUCK regardless of whether she’s buying puppymill dogs (puppies that is) that would have gone to “petshops” or helping pounds rip off their Municipalities (as you know they are paid so much per dog they kill – and then they get that money from Melissa’s people as well),,,, I’m sure they are double-collecting.
Why wont’ SCDD deal with respectable rescues, why only with “the one group” they don’t give a damn who they are or the fact they are not a rescue. Bottom line is, get off your darn computer, stop flagging ads down that you don’t like (like this audio recording) and start learning how rescue really works instead of being Melissa’s little monkey.\
ANYONE WHO WANTS TO CONTACT ME DIRECTLY ABOUT MY ‘SO-CALLED VENDETTA” AGAINST PAWS FOR LIFE CAN CONTACT ME FOR MY FIRST-HAND EXPERIENCE WITH HER AND HER “GROUP”…..
And by the way, this pound is not truthful, a woman was coming in with a puppy and SCDD had “promised” her he would not be euthanized. Yeah right, as your post says, they gas the dogs in Adoption… Poor dog, lucky I didn’t let her get inside the building with this dog. He’s now safe and sound at my place. That is rescue…. Not making a buck off other dogs…..
Sophie Fournier
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P.S. We already know Paws for Life has hundreds of “clones” who are flagging posts and ads you don’t like, just like your hundreds of Facebook Clones. Keep it up, the posts will keep coming.
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Date:2010-10-23 12:00:39
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Title:(pets) Re: Paws for Life & the recording.
Re: Paws for Life & the recording.
It’s not the rescue that will have ruined relationships with said pound, but the municipalities dealing with said pounds. We saw how Barnotti ran the Montreal S.P.C.A a few years back. S.C.D.D is next… The bigger problem is that the cities are dealing with this pound. If you want to help these dogs, open a new pound. Americans have $10 to $30 pull fees, and that includes “relaying” the animal across borders, with a $50 neutering bill, so yes this pound is making a buck, her vets are making money, the government is making money… With Sophie on her way to Superior Court vs the City of Montreal, don’t be surprised to see St-Hubert on the to-do list…
Yes It’s political game, we live in a New World Order, The Montreal S.P.C.A with Barnotti gone is now useless, the price these animals pay is now the Berger Blanc, guess who else is on the to-do list BB?…
The Problem is with Quebec, and taxes on each sale… Rescues can have adoption fees that are non taxable, a pound not… because it’s a Business… The American pounds and brokers gives out tax receipts for your mileage… And they don’t make the “population” pay Pull fees, the broker does that… NOT The “relay/driver” picking up the animal…
The same thing goes for the St-Adele pound, Carole… You’re next… You people need to take example from the Mirabel Pound… The English know what they’re doing, the French well, what can I say… The Church convinced the Quebec population to be farmers, as business was the root of all evil… That’s why Toronto now has the Toronto Stock Exchange, and Mr. Eaton left Montreal… It’s time for Quebec to WAKE UP…
As for re-posting the ads, I will for as long as it keeps getting flagged, if I was not flagged, it would be way below the list, but it’s not… Who’s fault is that? I’m an American and I have the freedom of speech. I know Quebec has less freedom then the USA, but Craigslist is an AMERICAN corporation, I already got e-mails from SCDD requesting the removal of the video or they would contact YouTube, they can keep flagging it up to the White House, as the YouTube flags won’t remove the audio.
It’s an advertising tactic being used by PFL and SCDD, squash the bad press without a response, I keep re-posting now we saw someone from PFL reply… It’s within the peoples’ right to know what’s going on…
-Rick
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Paws for Life & the recording.
“In addition, the man in the recording wouldn’t say “yes we gas them”, “yes they will be gassed by these urgent dates”. He’s saying no they don’t, to protect their pounds business. I really don’t hear anything in the recording that proves deceit. I really hope it doesn’t ruin the relationship the pound has with the only rescue allowed in there. In my opinion, posting it over and over again is pointless and not evidence that Paws for Life is making money off of rescuing.”
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Date:2010-10-23 11:16:39
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Title:(pets) S.C.D.D and Paws for Life (Better Audio Quality)
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Title:(pets) FYI: Paws for Life
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Date:2010-10-22 13:54:36
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Title:(pets) S.C.D.D and Paws for Life
S.C.D.D and Paws for Life
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IkA2v4iR7rs
What more is there to say?
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Title:(pets) SCDD is selling pets on Craigslist
SCDD can’t sell animals on CG so they use PFL to “re-home” them for what they would sell at SCDD…
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Date:2010-10-22 13:24:04
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Title:(pets) S.C.D.D and Paws for Life
S.C.D.D and Paws for Life
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The calls keep coming in thanks to Google putting MY phone number right before PFL for Pet Finder. Let me just say that I’m dealing with very angry folks until I get a word in to explain that I’m with a CAT RESCUE called Moustache on Pet Finder and not Paws For Life. Holy shit, do they have a lot of angry people wanting to call them. I give the number out by I suspect it’s been changed since a few have called back saying so.
I would remove the number included in Petfinder, and just include the Moustache number within the content of each post. That is until someone else gets added, or removed from Petfinder. Sophie left a message with the Vice President of the Petfinder Foundation, no news yet.
I’m guessing she changed the numbers I listed :D One number should still be traceable unless shes paying for an unlisted number. Giving out her home number, indirectly gives out her home address. Then they can send registered mail all they want, as the security guard in her building wont let anyone dump dogs or go up to the 6th floor.
-Rick
I e-mailed Pet Finder earlier today. I’m getting really fed up with these angry calls. Like I don’t have enough to deal with. Grrrrr….
SERIOUSLY??!!!??? IF YOU ACTUALLY LISSTTTEEN to the audio … and SOPHIE’S stupid ranting and raving, you would hear that the pound CHARGES anyone who is part of the rescue group MONEY to release the dog. NORMALLY at these pounds, they CHARGE $200 to the PUBLIC just to adopt any of them, WITHOUT any vetting! THEY are nice enough to give us a DISCOUNTED RATE! Of course they are going to tell you they don’t “gas” them .. are you retarded? SOPHIE, WHERE do you think these dogs go if the pound fills up and no one is there to take them? UP YOUR ASS??? .. wait no … you already have a stick up it, so there’s no room there … hmm … Maybe it’s the tooth fairy ??? … she comes down and gives them homes … hmmm ….
IF YOU REEEEALLLY rescued dogs, you would UNDERSTAND that A HOME is BETTER than NO HOME you psychotic BITCH! The ONLY thing we ask adopters for is REIMBURSEMENT for the release fee, and ANY VETTING (WHICH IS EXPENSIVE!!!), if it is done BY US already, if NOT, we tell the adopters that and make SURE we follow up with VET REFERENCE CHECKS and a SIGNED & NOTARIZED contract that PROHIBITS them from not following through. So INSTEAD of RANTING & RAVING, shut the FUCK up and save some dogs. If saving dogs and any other of our four-legged friends is the COMMON GOAL, stop SHITTING ALL OVER our cause just to help yours. If we did it YOUR way, 1000’s of dogs would die just to “BOYCOTT” the horrible issue of euthanization. However until then, GROW THE FUCK UP, stop whining & throwing a hissy fit about us and wake up to the REAL PROBLEM. Stop using our group as a SOUNDING board for your hypocritical rants and raves, and do WHAT you can for NOW to prevent as many animals as you can from suffering!
NO WONDER WHY they won’t work with you – you are FUCKING crazy!!! If I was one of those pound workers .. I’d tell you to go GET BENT!
PS. SOPHIE .. BRING IT BITCH before I wipe my ass with your face. You are the most hypocritical psychotic lady ever and you need to get a REAL LIFE. SHUT THE FUCK UP and save some dogs instead of bitching you cunt. We don’t just give dogs to ANYBODY .. so please, shut your mouth, and stop being SO JEALOUS!
You sound like a broken record. Learn to use a PC :D We have proof that PFL no longer does any vetting, and regarding Batt who was neutered by PFL the foster paid $1000+ out of her own pocket, the vet still remains unpaid, and PFL now wants a $400 donation.
So to rescue a dog with your pounds who seem not to exist is a $200 fee you say, the PFL average cost (based on statistics) is over $1000. Still makes more sense to save lives at $130 to $200 by going to the pound directly than using PFL as the middle man for $1500+. Sophie is offering vet discounts to those you guys can no longer get neutered because no vets wants to deal with PFL. So $130 to a pound, and $150 to a vet, still beats the PFL way… The answer is to do it like the Americans, the city should give $50 (not $120) per dead animal, and offer $50 spay/neuter clinics open to the public. If the Americans do it, why can’t Quebec?. Want a cheaper option? Drive down to Plattsburgh for the vet services, people do it for shoes! :P Heck, “Pops”, (Bon Dieu dans la Rue) does it for $50 if your a street kid…
The Montreal S.P.C.A used to have a program giving dogs to street kids back in the day, so even no home is better then none. What matters is not a roof over your head, but a caring human that will provide the basic needs, a “home” is not a basic need of survival…
Also in regards to Shadow, you should figure out the difference of what an e-mailed contract does and a signed contract, the e-mails you people send are not contracts, and the follow up e-mails I’m receiving from PFL says it all, you manipulate potential adopters the same way you talk smack on here. Just wait till we release said e-mails. CTV already called me in regards to this S.C.D.D video, I guess PFL is also a buzz word currently with CTV as their looking for foster homes that had bad experiences with PFL, they did the good about rescuing with Petits Pawz a few weeks back, now they will do the bad with PFL. It’s what keeps the mainstream media balanced (or at least they think, it should)…
-Rick
It is unfortunate if a person gets stuck with expensive vetting costs … but you always take that gamble when you adopt a dog. It is a sad thing, but sometimes dogs get sick without a moments notice. No one wants to get a sick dog – including a rescue organization – but you take that chance, even if you adopt from a humane society or “buy” from a breeder. Some guarantee the health of their dogs … but a lot don’t. When you are in a time crunch to find homes, or else know the dog will die sometimes you wouldn’t be able to know if a dog has a underlying medical condition. ALL foster homes are screened .. with work & vet references, at least through me. I will not let just anyone foster or adopt a dog unless a home visit is done, etc.
In regards to the e-mailed contract … it is SENT to them first, then SIGNED in person as a NOTARIZED document..hmmm last time I checked, that was considered legal since all contracts, both verbal and written can be held up in court. So go ahead, blast me all you want on e-mailing contracts, but I have ALL the proof I need, in addition to a signature in person. =)
FYI: Under the UETA (Uniform Electronic Transactions Act) passed in 1999 a signature via email, fax, or voice recording is just as good as a physical signature made on a physical document. The terms of the UETA vary from state to state but in general if an agreement is reached between two parties and has been documented as such through email it is considered a legal and entirely enforceable contract.
“Can be held up” and “enforceable” needs to be proved with intent, civil code of Quebec, valid for any intent verbal or not, it’s just that not simple to “enforce”.
We don’t dispute the fact that PFL does use contracts at times, just pointing out it’s not always using contracts.
The contract is also only enforceable for the value of the “thing” as an animal is a “thing” in the courts eye, and that would be the pound fee, not a potential adoption contract (say the dog ran away, or died).
The second point is PFL tends to break the said contract before the fosters, by not picking up said dog within said time frame.
-Rick
I actually have Shadow right now. She is an absolutely great dog. And Melissa is always there to help me when I have any situation. And she has been contacting me to schedule Shadows vets appointments. I don’t see what you guys are all fighting for. Seriously, why don’t you guys just sit down and try and work together.
Shame on you for speaking out of YOUR ass. When you have over 15 years experience rescuing dogs AND 10 years working for the city and know all of the municipal laws then you can post an educated comment on this blog. You express yourself like a teen-aged bully. God help us all if you’re the next generation.
CZARINA says: IN ENGLISH …
October 28, 2010 at 8:54 pm
SERIOUSLY??!!!??? IF YOU ACTUALLY LISSTTTEEN to the audio … and SOPHIE’S stupid ranting and raving, you would hear that the pound CHARGES anyone who is part of the rescue group MONEY to release the dog. NORMALLY at these pounds, they CHARGE $200 to the PUBLIC just to adopt any of them, WITHOUT any vetting! THEY are nice enough to give PAWS a DISCOUNTED RATE! Of course they are going to tell you they don’t “gas” them .. are you retarded? SOPHIE, WHERE do you think these dogs go if the pound fills up and no one is there to take them? UP YOUR ASS??? .. wait no … you already have a stick up it, so there’s no room there … hmm … Maybe it’s the tooth fairy ??? … she comes down and gives them homes … hmmm …. and YES, the guy is right, dogs aren’t EUTHANIZED on the EXACT date Melissa says the will be .. it’s usually the NEXT one when they AREN’T OPEN TO ANYONE. GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT before you start bitchin!
IF YOU REEEEALLLY rescued dogs, you would UNDERSTAND that A FOSTER HOME is BETTER than NO HOME you psychotic BITCH! The ONLY thing we ask adopters for is REIMBURSEMENT for the release fee, and ANY VETTING (WHICH IS EXPENSIVE!!!), if it is done BY US already, if NOT, PAWS tells the adopters that and make SURE we follow up with VET REFERENCE CHECKS and a SIGNED & NOTARIZED contract that PROHIBITS them from mistreating the dog. ALL of our pets are spayed/neutered before being adopted! So INSTEAD of RANTING & RAVING, shut the FUCK up and save some dogs. If saving dogs and any other of our four-legged friends is the COMMON GOAL, stop SHITTING ALL OVER our cause just to help yours. If we did it YOUR way, 1000′s of dogs would die just to “BOYCOTT” the horrible issue of euthanization. However until then, GROW THE FUCK UP, stop whining & throwing a hissy fit about us and wake up to the REAL PROBLEM. Stop using our group as a SOUNDING board for your hypocritical rants and raves, and do WHAT you can for NOW to prevent as many animals as you can from suffering!
NO WONDER WHY they won’t work with you – you are FUCKING crazy!!! If I was one of those pound workers .. I’d tell you to go GET BENT!That’s why pounds don’t work with more than one or maybe two groups – they get crazies like you showing up on their door step! I’m surprised you didn’t have your burning torch with you!
Hell, it’s ALMOST Halloween .. do us ALL a favor, get on your broomstick and fly the fuck away you ugly hag! You are ONLY making it so that even we won’t be able to help. SO KEEP ON RUNNING YOUR MOUTH – it will just burn the tiny bridge we have managed to build between us and the S.C.D.D. so that ALL the dogs will die. Awesome – you are one amazing lady!
PS. SOPHIE .. BRING IT BITCH before I wipe my ass with your face. You are the most hypocritical psychotic lady ever and you need to get a REAL LIFE. SHUT THE FUCK UP and save some dogs instead of bitching you cunt. We don’t just give dogs to ANYBODY .. so please, shut your mouth, and stop being SO JEALOUS!
A) Learn English and mathematics, Adoption Fee to the public, $130+ taxes, that’s not $200.
B) Normal pounds get paid $120 per dog they kill.
C) The St-Adele pound charges $60, the Montreal S.P.C.A used to charge $30 to the public and $0 to rescues, the pound in Mirabelle charges $0. They all get around $120 per dead dog or cat. So these pounds must be coming out of your ass if they charge you $200, perhaps it’s a clean up bill to wipe your ass…
D) Carol from St-Adele used to deal with PFL now she wont, anyone can call 450-227-2768 asking for Carol, the pound is named S.P.C.M and the fee to all, rescues or public is $60, half of what they would get from the city for putting a needle into a dog or cat, they have no gas chambers in St-Adele…
E) Czarina Marie Shepard – http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=626990427 – how nice of you to include your full name and FB id, now your future employer can see how stupid you really are. :)
F) And you’re not really anyone, but a fake account -> http://www.google.ca/search?q=Czarina+Marie+Shepard&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a#q=%22Czarina+Marie+Shepard%22&hl=en&client=firefox-a&hs=F71&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&prmd=ivo&ei=UE_KTJuwCIT78Aaxj83SAQ&start=0&sa=N&fp=75d9f665acc8b752 – About 13 results (0.13 seconds) – All FB related… – You sure spend a lot of time making fun of Matt, I guess that’s what happen when you listen to Planet 96.7.
-Rick
I’m sorry but I did NOT stop and will NEVER stop working with Melissa and Paws for life .
I contacted Sophie to know what was the problem between all rescues on this planet, I don’t understand why we can’t all work together to find solutions for the poor dogs and cats that needs us to save THEIR lives instead of badmouthing about how other rescues works. I work at the pound , and every week we get dogs and cats, that are never claimed. If I don’t find homes for them, they will die , beeing euthanised, with a needle .Many dogs and cats would be killed each week
if Melissa and paws were not there to help save them .
The problem are the humans , and now , the humans instead of working together, are waisting time by beeing on this website right now, and talking about who is bad rescuing.
I know that everyone who is trying to rescue are working very hard and we all do what we can possibly do. Melissa and paws for life has helped me save hundreds and hundreds of dogs since I work there, and often, I had emergencies , and Melissa was always there to help me, she even pays very often for dogs, that don’t even go to paws for life, but she pays the fee to my boss, even if the dog is brought to another rescue just to be sure the dog will live .And I can prove that anytime, and also, I stay in touch with many fosters and adopters, that send me pictures, and e-mails, and it’s been for 3 years now .
what can I say else, why don’t we stop right now to say bad things that are so wrong and not true , and let’s find solutions together . Melissa is the only one that never says NO when I ask for help or when I have something urgent….. Young dogs, old dogs, sick dogs…. ANY DOGS or Cats!!! so please, understand that everybody is different and nobody is perfect but when it comes to save animals ,Melissa is always there for them!!!
Carol, I thought you had understood the whole principle behind rescuing after our conversation. You’re the one who said to me that the way she was working, “was not right” once I explained her tactics and manipulations as well as this idea of “mass pulling” without a plan.
The real rescue world doesn’t need people like her, damaging all their efforts and good work, by crapping on good people who want to open their hearts/homes, in a way that is manipulating, conning, and she is using people’s feelings and emotions to “save a life w ho will be “gassed” tomorrow” as she guilts them into saying “yes”… It’s not right. We, in the rescue world, all know you can’t save them all, but if and when you do save animals, DO IT RIGHT or don’t do it at all.
Rescuing is not MASS PULLING. Rescuing is having a plan for the dog/cat you rescue. You may have “proof” of all kinds of “positive” results through Paws fir Life, and that is wonderful, I do hope there is some good in what she’s done with these animals. I just get to deal with her leftover crap, and I”m DONE. She is hurting the rescue world, people who have had a bad experience (and there are TONS) want nothing to do with fostering for a rescue group, their experience has left them a bad taste.
I don’t go looking for people with bad experiences, they have been coming to me for the last 3 years as she is UNREACHABLE when there’s a problem.
I am happy she has never turned you down, has always said “yes”, if you find out who I really am, you will find out that I have NEVER turned down a dog on deathrow. NEVER have, and never will when I get a call from a pound. The difference is I don’t deal with “shady pounds”.
Just like that Golden Retriever that is due to be “put down” on Hallowe’en, which we talked about last night. I told you I had someone who had contacted ME (why me? It’s not even related to me – oh wait – they couldn’t reach the “rescue” who had her advertised all over the NET….) and you had agreed that I would put the person directly in touch with you or the pound the next day to take her out for $60, I would follow up on the sterilization, etc…. and today I see your post…. Confused….
I also got e-mails saying Fondation Caramel had made arrangements with someone at the pound to take her out before the week-end, now it seems she’s back with Paws for Life trying to pull her out as per some voice mail that was left on my answering machine….
As a rescuer for the last 15 years, I do unfortunately know the reality of Quebec and our eagerness to kill dogs/cats by any means possible as we produce them on one end to make the economy go, then these pounds kill them on the other end and that keeps their business going. That’s what they call La Belle Province! However, I also know I cannot pull 20 out without a plan, you need to truly rescue them, not pull them out for them to end up on the street, dumped in a field, at Berger Blanc, or sold on the internet.
Melissa does not CARE where they end up, her “screening” process is absolutely ridiculous, she DOESN’T KNOW where she is putting these animals, when she’s seen as many horror stories as I have in 15 years, she will know where I’m coming from.
Putting dogs/cats in the hands of just anyone and everyone, is RIDICULOUS, it is contributing to this “dumping” problem we have.
Anyone notice that in the last few months, there has been an abundance of “found dogs:?
These strays are never claimed. Weird.. I would do all I could to find my dog…. Yet there are tons and tons of ads on the net about people who found dogs.
Wonder where all your dogs are ending up Melisssa????? Open your eyes, I have already helped people who wanted to just send your dogs to SPCA, Berger Blanc, find them a home on Kijiji….
Oh yeah, Melissa is helping these poor animals possibly live what they are going through at the pounds right now, over and over again in their lives, if not worst……Abuse, neglect, torture, a life of hell in a puppymill, etc.. We rescuers know exactly what Paws for Life is doing by “mass pulling”… Seriously, hundreds if not thousands of dogs in 3 years? Can she hold a yearly reunion and invite every single dog/cat she ever placed? No… Why not? Sophie’s Dog Adoption has been holding a yearly reunion for years, everyone receives an invitation, and people from out of Province/Country come back to the reunion with their dogs…. Every dog lives in a family who has a name, address, info to contact, contract that does not allow them to “dump” the dog, kill the dog, sell the dog….. People actually call back and return dogs after 5 years just because we live in that kind of society who gives the pet up as soon as life throws them a bad hand, despite all the screening and follow-ups that are done over those years…. My dogs NEVER end up on death row once they have been in the care of Sophie’s Dog Adoption. If anything, they ALWAYS end up back with me…..Not on the street or SPCA.
It’s not quantity that counts in rescue, it’s the quality of life you will be giving these animals.
Whoever doesn’t get that yet with this whole situation between Paws for Life and these shady pounds, does not understand rescue at all. The idea is not to save lives to send them to possible HELL, but to rescue lives who have been hurt and need a final, loving, caring home. Not just “another” home for a while…..
That’s the bottom line.
Sophie
Dear Sophie if the pounds are shady as you say i agree with you 100% but it’s not the animals fault, and it’s not rescuers’ fault either. It’s the municipalities’ fault for allowing to have shady pounds and giving them the right to lie to people who surrender their pets to them. It’s not the animals’ fault if the pounds remain to keep quiet on the way they euthanize animals and lie about it. You say we put animals through HELL? Well let me just start by saying that we take them away from HELL, bring them into a transition a home ie a foster home until they find a great forever home. If hat’s your idea of hell then obviously you haven’t seen much in your life and you are quite ignorant of the real problems in this world. Hell on earth really does exist, which is why we try to do our part to remove the innocent and voiceless creatures from the hell they were put into through the hands of humans. and slowly transit them to an almost heavenly life thank you for understanding.
I will never stop working with Melissa and paws for life, I’m sure Melissa works harder and spends more hours than any other rescue , to save the dogs .
She has always helped me, and I will NEVER accept to let the dogs die because the other rescues can NEVER take them .
Yes, I told you that anyone who comes to the pound can adopt, of course, that is right , absolutely ! I’m SO happy when animals get adopted !
I even often announce the dogs on Kijiji, and I try to find adopters by myself, since there are so many every week .
Anyone is autorised to adopt at the pound, by singing that the dog will get sterilized if he isn’t allready .
That is my life to find adopters !!!!!!!!!!!
I arrive home after work, and I put the pictures of the dogs on my computer , and start to try to find families , and Melissa always helps me .
This situation is so ridiculous , everyone on this planet should know that Melissa does EVERYTHING she can to save dogs , ALL she wants to do is SAVE dogs,
And she is great .
And any rescue should know that it’s impossible to make money by saving dogs, it’s the opposite .
Melissa is always paying the 60$ to my boss, she never complained, and like I said, she even pays when sometimes the dogs go to another rescue, just to make sure the dog will live !!!!!
I will never let the dogs die, just because some people think that it would be better that way .
DO YOU KNOW WHAT IT IS to HOLD A DOG while the vet puts the DEAD needle in him ?
It really takes someone without love for the dog that is looking you right in the eyes, and WANTS A CHANCE to live .
Melissa, I’m telling everyone that you are great, and continue your good work,
you are a HERO and an ANGEL .
Carole.D.
I have serious doubts this post above was from the REAL Carole (unless Carole suffers from personality disorder). PFL has so many clones! You see my post? It says Annie Primeau….that’s my REAL name. I don’t hide behind a clone. PFL is making all rescues look bad but we don’t dump cats and dogs on people and we don’t expect them to pay for a damn thing and we certainly don’t have vets who no longer want nothing to do with us or fosters who are wishing they never dealt with us. That’s the truth! For those of you who volunteer for PFL, you’re not getting the whole story. You do great work and believe in what you do. I don’t blame you for defending Melissa because you see what she wants you to see and she makes you feel worthy. Without you guys, she’s screwed. Please wake up and see the reality. This is not the right way to rescue animals. NO ONE should be getting paid under the table. You’re only feeding the hand of corruption. You think these pounds will refuse to deal with rescues if the other option is gassing these dogs? OF COURSE NOT!!!! They still stand to make money by offering a fair pull fee to several rescues…in fact, they stand to make even more money the more rescues they deal with. (and look good to the tax payers who pay their salaries). The shit is about to hit the fan about this corrupt practice so be ready, if you truly want to save lives and do it right….get with some real rescues cause we’re coming and we’re ready.
http://www.bestfriends.org/nomorehomelesspets/pdf/shelteringispointless.pdf
http://www.bestfriends.org/nomorehomelesspets/resourcelibrary/consequences.cfm
http://www.bestfriends.org/nomorehomelesspets/pdf/mercy.pdf
http://www.helpinghomelesspets.com/codeofethics/canine/index.htm
-Rick
Thank you Carole, you are a kind hearted woman who loves the animals and thank you for pointing out that the problem here is not being fought at the source. We should unite and fight for solutions together. Unite to fight puppy mills, pet shops who sell pets and breeders. Unite to find solution and educate people about how bad is the animal overpopulation in Quebec and how high are the rates of abandonment in the province. Instead humans do what humans do, try to bring others down whose opinions differ only to prove their own opinion and overlook the real issue, the root of the problem. It’s just like any war in the world, we are just glad we are not the ones starting wars.
If the municipalities are at fault who’s fault is that? The People’s fault who live in those municipalities. Because those people are not being heard nothing gets done. That’s not the municipalities fault but the peoples fault.
With what Sophie exposed in the video above it gives reason to protest in front of these pounds.
Let’s talk about the real hell on earth, see http://www.sophiesdogadoption.com/archives/1315 and http://www.sophiesdogadoption.com/Reilie/ before saying Sophie hasn’t seen horrors.
Then lets talk about the pounds lying, that’s called False Advertising. -> http://www.consommation.info.gouv.qc.ca/en/fiche.asp?sujet=99
The source of the current problem is with PFL, SCDD and other pounds alike. The goal is not to get these animals killed, but for PFL to do the right thing for the animals.
What is the real issue here? That pounds make profit with PFL! If pounds made no profit, pounds would not be in business very long, without the pounds no one gets gassed.
So we can say that municipalities and PFL are a part of the problem, and a part of the solution. So the bottom line is that when PFL pulls out a dog from said pounds they support such places because they’re helping said places make profit so they can keep doing it the same way. So again who’s at fault for keeping the industry rolling?
-Rick
you don’t like my name ? Carole.D.
you can call me at the pound if you want, ask for me! Carole.D.
450-227-2768 , you can say wathever you like about me, I’ll stay polite, because I know that everything I do of my life, is save the poor dogs and cats that enter the pound, because they have been abandoned .If you want to say bad things about me you have the right .
But I do my best everyday, and I’ll continue all my life .
Carole.D.
That makes me practice my english !
Are you sure that’s your name lol! Either way we will find out tomorrow.
PS, Whatever happened to that Golden? A rescue from the USA took her out? Using google to track her in a few months should be easy then… You would assume that it’s advertised in her profile that she was rescued from Quebec…
It’s funny how someone in the province of Quebec was ready to rescue her through PFL, once contact had started and abruptly stopped from PFL and after Sophie’s conversation with you, someone from the USA took her out!
http://www.petfinder.com/petdetail/17767870
No happy tails?
-Rick
Any home is better then none, sure is, until we personally have to deal with stories like Shadow, she had the dog 3 months, she called PFL saying come get the dog or I’ll open the door and let him out. What’s better then? The fact that these dogs get saved to go right back into the pound? I guess it is for PFL since it’s a business after all. Sophie had to force PFL to come and get this dog or his faith was the street. Ever wonder why so many more lost and found dogs are reported now? I suspect a big part of your foster homes are afraid of your legal threats, and just leave said dogs walk out.
-Rick
I hope you don’t dare call your self a lady. A teeny-bopper (yea I grew up in the 70’s) like yourself talking to a middle aged woman in this manner should win you awards. From what I’ve been hearing, as Rick my geeky cyber kid has been entertaining me with this stuff while I drive, your daddy (who is obviously bigger than mine) is a lawyer. He must be so proud to have raised such a polite, well mannered, educated young girl.
If Rick, who is much old than you ever spoke to an old bat like me the way you do, I would not want him to publicize who he is as neither I or his daddy (who may in fact be bigger then yours because he’s a Yankee) would be very embarrassed to show the world how poorly he was raised.
Hoping someday your family comes across this and congratulates you on being such a respectful young lady.
If PFL’s volunteers/supporters all come from the same type of upbringing (and it seems a lot of you have lawyer daddy’s), I’m not surprised that a bunch of you are using foul language to talk to your elders. How could Melissa, who wants to seem so amazing, actually have people like yourself representing the group.
-Sophie
Paws For Life doesn’t do any more vetting? SO BIZARRE that i’ve been at the vet so many times recently to get PFL animals vaccinated, dewormed, and sterilized before being put up for adoption. Now that i live in Ottawa and a family wanted to adopt my foster beauty who was not sterilized yet, i jumped in my car, drove to montreal and got her sterilized at our vet. Yea, weird, we don’t do any vetting i must’ve hallucinated the whole thing every single time. Every time i get a dog adopted out, i call the vet to repay part of our vet tab, weird. I love how you take a unique situation with Shadow and you just CAN’T GET OVER IT!! GET OVER IT!! Some people believe in the Bible some in the Coran, people will never agree, is it a reason to bring everyone who doesn’t have the same beliefs down??
Actually Sophie i feel bad for you (and Rick too) you seem to have so much time on your hands, shouldn’t you be busy running a rescue and saving animals? If you can’t save as many as us cause you don’t have a plan, totally understandable, we agree that no animal should be saved without a plan. We find plans, we network and find and screen new foster homes constantly, who agree to foster with their own will until the dog gets adopted! And you know why we find lans? Because it’s our focus, not obsessing over other rescues. If really there is a serious problem with the animal, we always have a backup plan to move the animal in another foster home, although sometimes it may take a few days, as agreed on the contract that we may need up to 2 weeks to find a suitable new home for the animal but it’s rare it takes that long. Better than the gas chamber? To you obviously not, to us yes. Can our opinions differ on that? Yes. Many thanks.
Why is it when we call various vets they tell us that they no longer deal with PFL because of outstanding bills. I’m guessing those are not the vets you drive down to. Why would you have to drive down to Montreal? You also left Montreal, why do you have to pay back the vet bills and why do you collect the adoption fees? I could argue it’s not PFL and you personally. Why is it that foster homes can offer discounts on the adoption fees? It’s listed on craigslist. Does the adoption fee go to the foster home to pay back their costs? Sure looks like that’s what a few are doing… Look on craiglists…
I talked about Shadow and Batt, I can get more names and e-mails, but I’m giving CTV a chance first. The e-mails I’m talking about exposes Carole and PFL in a new light, that’s why I said Carole would be next, she called Sophie to keep the bad press out of her hair, I guess that’s all it was, manipulation on the phone.
Some fosters have contracts some don’t, I’m pretty sure for the reason as why some do and some don’t, it’s related to third party rescues. Those in the rescue world are slapped with a contract, individuals not. Why? because individuals can be manipulated without signed contracts.
We hear your claims, and we see the reality of the claims. Why do I have so much time on my hands to reply? Because I run an ISP from my cell phone, I’m on the road right now and I’m not losing any time with this, as I’m riding shotgun. Where are we to now? Did you hear about those three Pitbulls to be drowned last night? They’re in foster care now… Should we drive down to the St-Adele pound to record the story of this Golden? We have someone for him… Where is he now? -> http://www.petfinder.com/petdetail/17767870
-Rick
No you’re right, not all dogs will be gassed tomorrow, that’ not what we claim either, only the ones that have been there the longest once the pound gets full which is tomorrow if the pound is almost full since animals come in every single day. And no, we don’t rescue them all, last week we couldn’t get to 2 poor dogs in time because we didn’t have a plan for them.
Also, we put a reply in our defense and it was flagged and removed, we have the proof as well, so please stop wasting your flagging posts on craigslist.
You guys flagged down my posts, I’ll flag down everything PFL related, that’s the price you guys get to pay for trying to keep me quiet… Can anyone post anything with the words PFL (Paws for Life) or SCDD now? :D I guess Craigslist agreed that SCDD sold animals using PFL. Or perhaps they just go tired of the 1000+ flags in 24hrs.
PFL lost Craiglist as a medium for communications, I’ll make sure every post gets flagged, theirs networks of people that have nothing better to do then flagging posts. They build communities around it. Being in the ISP business, it only takes me two clicks to share a link into said networks.
If you guys didn’t leave me use craigslist, why would I let you guys use it?
I see the tactics have changed, dates are no longer included -> http://www.petfinder.com/petdetail/17763621
That’s our goal, getting PFL to stop crying wolf because eventually no one will listen when their are real emergencies. The goal is to send people to the pounds to pull out said animals, not to network the dog across rescues, that should be the LAST resort, not the first option…
What contract and what plan? I’ll bring up Shadow again… No contract, no plan… You guys sure do have a plan, leave the problem to someone else for as long as possible… And It’s not the ONLY case like this… I agree their is some good, but majority of what we hear is the bad, we don’t hear the good. When we hear the good stuff, it’s from people directly related to PFL like yourself… Got anyone neutral willing to support PFL? The Montreal S.P.C.A won’t even support PFL’s methods… That’s kind of surprising knowing that the Di Stefano family has family friends within the S.P.C.A! Why ain’t PFL pulling out from the Montreal S.P.C.A? the pull fee is $75… Oh yea, you have to be a registered rescue… PFL ain’t… It’s a broker…
-Rick
All I get from this annoying recording, is that SCDD is sketchy. Seriously, you people are petty. We are suppose to be all in this for the animals. So because of this recording, any dog PFL postss that really will be gassed or killed if not rescued, will die. And WHOSE fault will that be? Someone who was tired of answering their phone and being asked if THEY were PFL, when they werent. Albeit fosters may not be screened properly for these dogs. I will agree with that, and certain characteristics of a dog may be left out for ease of placement. Which isnt right. Honesty is key in terms of propre placement. Foster parent has to match foster dog. I will 100% agree with that. But really?? Saying that a dog will be gassed on a certain day when they really arent gassed at THAT particular time, but will EVENTUALLY be killed just not at that moment, is killing another dog?? Why? You people have never EXAGGERATED the level of pain to a nurse or doctor in hopes they would take you faster in the emergency room? Or exaggerated about a bill or financial problems in hops you would be given more slack??? Come on. We are all saints now. If SCDD doesnt want to deal with anyone else, thats THEIR problem. Its not automatically assumed that PFL is conspiring and making money off this. I said it before and Will say it again. I got into rescue because of Melissa, and although I am not a foster home for her now, but an occasional volunteer, I think she does a ton to help. I chose to not be a foster home anymore for PFL because of bad experiences. However, if ever I was asked to please help, that a dog will die, I stepped up and helped if I could. Why??? BECAUSE I DO IT FOR THE DOGS. I dont PRETEND to care. I actually DO care. DESPITE how i feel about the way things are done or people. I dont see why you guys dont just keep your mouths shut. If you cant work together, FINE. But destroying the chances of saving the dogs who are dying at SCDD just to MAKE a point, now THATS childish and INHUMANE if you ask me.
Why does EVERYTHING have to turn into a popularity contest? Why is everything so Political? Why cant things just stay where they are suppose to stay and HELP SAVE ANIMALS!!!! Focus on forcing ppl to spay and neuter their animals rather than BALL BUSTING anotehr rescue for lying about EUTH. DATES and MAYBE we can all make a difference when it comess to the human race being a selfish mess.
The first point is to send people directly to the S.C.D.D and others alike so no one dies, the second point is to establish that shelters like the S.C.D.D, the S.P.C.A’s and the Berger Blanc are useless and should be shutdown, then the third point you agreed with 100% and that’s that PFL is doing it all wrong with it’s “foster program”. A forth point is saying that paying pull fees will keep the pound economy going, a fifth point is that said pounds are providing a means for owners to “gas” their dogs at no cost because a vet charges (so the option a) is a pound, option b) is to drown them yourself, option c) to call someone else “rescue,friends,etc…” to do whatever the owners cant, and option d) is to pay a vet.)
If you got into rescuing because of Melissa, I can only guess that she’s the one who told you stories on how rescuing should be done… I’m also guessing you’re one that hardly checks the facts, you sure seem to just takes everything for granted… It sound like you’re doing it for yourself and not the dogs since you have to yell it, as if it wasn’t for the dogs, we already know Mellisa convinces everyone do it for the dogs, “look how much good (you) can do” by working with me…
It’s confirmed that every pound that gets money from a city to euthanize a dog is in it for the money or they would do the service free of charge and anyone working with said pounds is helping the industry of selling animals… The solution is not to build pounds, or to pull out dogs, the solution is to shutdown said pounds, open spay and neutering clinics…
It’s sad to say but reality is you can’t save them all, so to help the majority a few might have to suffer the horrors of what happens in said pounds, when someone tries to rescue all the homeless pets, they become hoarders…
So if we keep our mouth shut, the dogs keep getting gassed, if we expose the facts perhaps something can change, and if people do nothing, then that’s on the peoples shoulders… If you think this is a popularity contest your far from reality, get back on earth and realize that what we’re saying is that PFL is useless, to help save animals, anyone can go to said pounds… As a rescue if this was a popularity contest I think S.C.D.D wins the popularity vote, as more lives can be saved from hell by going to S.C.D.D directly, then from a rescue where dogs are or going into foster care…
And I can source my facts…
http://ville.montreal.qc.ca/pls/portal/docs/PAGE/ARR_VER_EN/MEDIA/DOCUMENTS/MINUTES%20-%20MEETING%20HELD%20ON%20JULY%206%20%202010_0.PDF
http://www.the-news.ca/tln/papers/Ch12-19.pdf
http://www.canada.com/montrealgazette/story.html?id=19812190-95b3-480a-97d1-21a4631cac2e
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http://www.bestfriends.org/nomorehomelesspets/pdf/shelteringispointless.pdf
http://www.bestfriends.org/nomorehomelesspets/resourcelibrary/consequences.cfm
http://www.bestfriends.org/nomorehomelesspets/pdf/mercy.pdf
http://www.helpinghomelesspets.com/codeofethics/canine/index.htm
-Rick
I honestly dont give a crap about your said facts, and I dont have to YELL that I care for the dogs. Anyone who knows me, knows rescuing is my life. That is what I do. I barely have a ssocial life because of rescuing. I am my own person who thinks the way I think based on my OWN opinion and my OWN experiences. I have formulated my own ideas about rescue and have almost lost family due to my own strong beliefs. I dont follow ANY rescues methods nor do I allow rescues to lead me to believe anything I have not seen myself, including PFL. I am the person in a WIDE circle of people who they contact for rescue. I am a full time foster home and I RARELY dont have a dog. and NO its not PFL. Since im sure you would love to tackle that one with a “Im sure you are always full of PFL fosters”.
I think you just want to argue with anyone who disagrees with you. I resent the fact that you say I do it for myself. I literally stopped speaking to my own flesh and blood for saying I dont actually care. This is my LIFE. I sleep and breathe rescue. So much I make myself sick. I have to actually pull back because I am not taking care of myself. So do NOT make this personal because I am NOT afraid to look for facts either. And I can easily find PERSONAL facts if you want. Just because I say melissa was the one who got me into rescue doesnt mean I am a melissa follower. I got away from PFL for a reason, but that doesnt mean I am not greatful for the things I have seen. Had I not seen what I had seen in the past or experienced the things I experienced or met the people in the past, I wouldnt see the things I see now, know the people I know nor be trusted by so many rescues as I am, and be able to make a change.
I have slandered my own MOTHER for breeding her dog. So, Mr Son of Sophie, dont tell me Im doing it for me. I take that VERY personally.
very well said. i couldn’t agree with everything you said any more!
My long day of rescue work is done, and I can now address this issue again. To Kim, from what I’m reading you truly seem to have your heart in the right place as you have actually taken dogs into your home in order to save them. That is rescue. Melissa has never done so, she just delegates.
I’m not tried of answering my phone, I’m tired of having to help people out who have been manipulated and then ignored by PFL. Answering my phone to help a dog in need has never been a problem regardless of the time of night it can be. Answering my phone to find solutions for a wannabe rescue is hurting the dogs that I am trying to help the right way. There are so many hours in a day, and in rescue that is never enough.
To everyone who just doesn’t get my whole point with this issue, is only living in a fantasy world that they can save all these dogs. The facts are, the way PFL is “mass pulling” these dogs, saves them from that imminent death, however doing it her way (without proper assessment of both dog and or foster/adopters), puts them back at risk of something worse than death.
What is worse than death you ask? Let me see… Abuse, neglect, cruelty, torture, research facilities, life of production in a filthy puppy-mill, can I think of any other horrendous things our society does to pets?
The choice: death vs a life of Hell. Hmm… Death is quick (even though I am aware of the cruelty of gas chambers) but a life of Hell could be 15 years. My choice would be death.
So, want to rethink the whole “let’s save all the dogs”, or let’s save a few but ensure that they truly have a good life while on this earth. Between doggy heaven and a possible Hell on earth what would you pick?
For those of you who still don’t get the point, it is not a competition, it is not a popularity contest, it is not the fame and glory of being a mass rescuer, but it is to give a chance at these poor souls to never live through misery again.
S.C.D.D and PFL vs Sophie’s beliefs: No the dogs at S.C.D.D should not necessarily be the ones to pay the price for ending up at a shady pound, but by encouraging such shady pounds we are only helping the greedy get richer off these animals. Keep in mind that S.C.D.D has a secret deal with PFL, as they most likely also bill the municipalities as having killed said dogs that they sold to PFL at a discounted rate. The point in exposing S.C.D.D and their shady deals with PFL is for the cities to open their eyes and stop awarding contracts to business owners with no conscience or no regard for life, all that matters is filling their pockets.
We all know the governments close their eyes to the reality of these pounds, but by making it public these municipalities may realize that there are better ways to help these animals by dealing with small rescue groups as opposed to facilitating dumping by having these massive central locations.
I have been doing this for 15 years, I’m very aware that the whole animal situation/laws in Quebec are just a political game, and I am sad to see that despite the efforts of many rescuers and animal rights people over these past 15 years, nothing has changed yet.
Do you young PFL volunteers/supporters think you know better then us who have been doing this for more than a decade? Those of you who tell me to wake up, open my eyes, and stop wasting time with drama like this have not understood anything about rescue. It is for the pets and only for the pets, no other reason in my book is a valid one. So I repeat saving dogs from death to possibly put them in Hell for a lifetime is unacceptable to any decent rescue.
If these thousands and thousands of dogs that Melissa wants to pull out were in fact wanted, the population would run to these pounds to save their lives. Paying $130 dollars directly to S.C.D.D in order to save a life, is nothing to someone who really wants to save that dog. Paying $70 to $150 dollars to a broker who makes you sign a contract makes no sense to the person who wants to save their lives. It’s there to be saved, why go through a middle man? At least if the person takes the dog from the pound, it becomes their dog to work with, spend money on, or find a new home if it doesn’t work out, as opposed to paying the same if not more money to PFL and then being stuck with a legal contract that will lead to threats?
The logic there is?
-Sophie
I will GLADY use my name. I have NOTHING to hide, and everyone I know thinks what I do to help PFL is amazing. Of course there would be a lot of things that pop up if you Google my name. Anyone with a LIFE and social networking account would have anything they tag, link, or say show up on Google if the account isn’t private. So I must be a fake account, photo & all!
I DO hope my future boss sees my post – because if he or she did they would back me up like my present one does now. If they didn’t, well I wouldn’t work for them nor care to.
FYI: 96.7 is a popular “pop”/rap station. I guess my choice in music considering my age makes me any less of a person. Lord only knows the type of music you listen to – and how amazing all the radio stations that play it are! Seriously, you are calling me out on my taste in music? LOL!
Please learn to read. I didn’t say I paid $200 nor did I list any pounds, or what I asked, if anything, to be reimbursed for. I believe the correct wording was “they charge the public”, I don’t see the words Paws For Life in there. Every pound is different. Thanks for writing out the math equation for me though! You are right, some probably do charge less (to the public), but you don’t know which ones I have & haven’t been to or inquired about. The one that does charge $200 to the “general public” I have seen do so in person – must be seeing things again … oh dear.
As for Carol D, she works with Melissa all the time. I don’t know where you are getting your information from – but it’s not correct. She is a amazing person – NO ONE wants to do her job, but regardless until laws are changed it needs to be done. Better to have someone that holds their paw lovingly til the end, than some heartless jerk who shows them no kindness at all. I admire the fact that she can sleep at night – because it’s never easy watching a animal die. However, I have a lot of respect for her because at least she tries and is a good person.
Melissa has NEVER once told me every pound gasses. If I ask for help – I am honest as well. Either way the penny drops, dogs are being killed regardless. If pleading for people to help saves more dogs from an untimely death, so be it. I will do all I can to help – animals don’t deserve to be killed because of stupid people.
Regardless, I’m done cyber fighting you. I have better things to do, sorry you don’t.
PS. Yes, I do spend A LOT of time making fun of Matt. =) Afterall, he is my boyfriend. Thanks for stalking me on the internet … although in a way it’s kind of flattering – then again maybe I should be worried about creepers like you.
What you wrote
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“SERIOUSLY??!!!??? IF YOU ACTUALLY LISSTTTEEN to the audio … and SOPHIE’S stupid ranting and raving, you would hear that the pound CHARGES anyone who is part of the rescue group MONEY to release the dog. NORMALLY at these pounds, they CHARGE $200 to the PUBLIC just to adopt any of them”
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“The pound” means SCDD and they do not charge $200 to the public but $130, that’s who you were talking about “these pounds” the SCDD not the “other pounds” who normally charge $200. Are you also talking pull fees or adoption fees? They’re not supposed to be adoption fees if it’s a death row dog, but pull fees. What you say is really nothing unless you can source something, such as the name of this pound… Otherwise your just full of hot air.
I already pointed out none of “these pounds” charge $200.
The SCDD – $75 to $135
The Montreal SPCA – $75
The St-Adele SPCM – $60
The Mirabelle Pound – $0
Those are all in Quebec, should I start listing the American pounds that have pull fees of $30 or less! That list is HUGE. I’m merely pointing out the average price range, I’m sure some greedy ones charge $200 or more and if so they need to be exposed! The Berger Blanc is one that charges more…
As for Carole D, what I said is she did work with PFL in the first comment, you reaffirmed that fact… What I was obviously wrong about is in the second comment saying that Carole D would stop working with PFL as per her phone conversation with Sophie on Friday.
It reaffirms that everyone involved with these PFL deals are afraid of something. Why would Carole D call Sophie to get the story as to why her name was included in the first comment.
You also never said you PAID $200 or less, you said they charge the public, so obviously you have a reading and writing problem.
I never said that Melissa told you that every pound uses gas chambers, again you don’t seem to know how to read?
Talk about privacy. You live in Burlington Vermont, Your voice is of zero importance to us in Quebec, assuming you are even real. http://www.myspace.com/ohczarina. As you said, google should have info on your name?!
“Czarina Marie Shepard” – About 24 results (0.39 seconds)
“Czarina Shepard” – About 110 results (0.28 seconds)
http://www.whitepages.com/dir/burlington-vt/shepard/czarina?mr=true
http://www.whitepages.com/search/Replay?lower=1&more_info=1&search_id=75011421471065796064&search_type=findperson
Czarina M Shepard
384 Hildred Dr
Burlington, VT 05401-3682
(802) 399-2572
Age: 18-24
So I guess you are real and Big Brother knows who you are…
-Rick
Yay! We found me! I invite anyone to show up at my door! Actually, I dare them too! I’d LOVE to have a chat IN PERSON with you! PLEASE do come!
Hmm .. why wouldn’t “Big Brother” know who I am? I mean afterall, part my job is to be on the internet .. if I have nothing to hide, why do I care? Let’s hear all the reasons ..
I know your address too … ohhh my I’m badass now!
Why don’t you call my boss? Maybe he can verify I’m real too! Go for it, you obviously have nothing better to do than stick up for your mommy and hide behind your computer screen.
If you want to say something, then say it to my face, not over a keyboard. So lame.
Thanks for giving my address out. I will glady pass on yours to anyone who shows up! Maybe I’ll even get some fan mail .. maybe since you have no life you can come deliver it to me personally.
By all means .. PLEASE come visit! =)
It takes less than a minute to find you online, it takes longer to drive down, that’s time and money not worth wasting. Time means the difference with lives saved or not, for some time is money…
You’re the one who started saying things over a keyboard, our address is public, why didn’t you come say what you have to say in Sophie’s face? Afraid that she might turn you into a toad?
I didn’t give anything out, just showing people how to Google does not make me the source of the info, thus I did not give out your address, just pointed it out…
And by all means I don’t wanna visit as Vermont is one of the most boring states out there… I’m just confirming you are a real person, a real dumb one… but a real one none the less… What’s interesting is that Vermont is known to be one of the smarter states, too bad you’re not included in that statistic…
-Rick
thanks for pointing out that I AM a real person – it only shows that there are REAL people, not fake”clones”. Unlike Star Wars, PFL has real supporters and warriors to take on their cause, not fake robotic ones like you are always talking about. I’m living breathing proof of that.
I’m glad you won’t come to this state … Vermonters wouldn’t want any of Canada’s trash making their way down here anyway…
Nonetheless, you are right, I did post a comment at first! You are blowing that audio sound bite WAY out of proportion just to have something to talk about in your boring, cyber geek life. I don’t take kindly to people going out of their way to play dirty politics with their “competition”, especially causes I support! I graduated HS a long time ago, apparently you didn’t….
Your group is ridiculous. You are awfully hell bent on exposing the “supposed” truth about us … stop wasting so much time and focus on your cause – and the pounds you currently work with. The more you open your mouth, the more retarded you sound.
Oh and FYI, I can write whatever the hell I want in a contract too. If someone says they will give me their house if they mistreat a dog and cause harm … THAT is legally binding, and in the end a judge will decide that – people have mistakenly signed millions of dollars worth of land away for nothing, and never were able to win it back. THAT’S WHY you read the writing and fine print. Regardless, a contract is a contract tho – man I’d hate to deal with civil issues in QC! Here in AMERICA, if someone signs something, they agree to ANY of the terms you put in that little piece of paper called a legal agreement. Any lawyer will tell you otherwise, including my dad.
If your mom wants to help anyone who is dissatisfied with PFL, so be it – GOOD FOR HER! God only knows the “customer” and by that I mean the “foster or adopter” is ALWAYS right huh?.. A lot of people who foster shouldn’t do it if they don’t know what they are getting into. Just like a lot of people should never be allowed to buy a dog or procreate because they are not prepared to do so both mentally or financially.
There are ALWAYS two sides to every story. I’m sure your organization never has had ONE complaint … seriously give it up. If all you can do is go tit for tat and “prove” I’m a real person – that just strengthens our cause – again. Thank you for doing that for us! =)
If you don’t have the financial means to do so, don’t get in over your head. Like a child, a dog costs a lot of money. Anyone with half a brain would know that a dog is being pulled from a POUND, there is NO WAY to tell who may be sick from what. From the moment I contacted Melissa and told her I’d love to help – I never for once thought she would guarantee a dogs temperament or health … You keep your fingers crossed and make a commitment to keep the dog, for better or for worse – because you truly care. Not every rescue has a “base” where all dogs are kept at. So of course you are going to have people who don’t understand the true meaning of caring for a dog – housebroken or not. Everyone wants to jump in and help out, but very few people stay true to a cause when it gets rough. Even if you are the “best foster ever”, there is always someone who is not going to be happy or claim you mislead them …
Great that your mom & you keep in contact with every single dog … supposedly “forever”. That’s awesome, truly is. However if I can help Melissa pull from pounds as many dogs as I can, I will. I honestly feel that giving them another shot is better than none at all. I mean what’s the worst that can happen – THEY DIE? Like they already aren’t in that situation.
If I wanted, I could let them loose in Vermont and they’d have a 99% better chance of getting adopted into a loving home then staying up there in the shit hole you call a city. I guess if I ever decided to do that, taking that 1% chance would make me a horrible person. Based on numbers and the odds alone, I’d be willing to take that gamble if that means there is ANY chance a dog will have a better life. However, you mom & you seem to think its better to save a select few dogs then try to save them all. I feel the total opposite. You are entitled to your opinion, and I am entitled to mine.
So continue to comment all you want – honestly I can care less. Leave Melissa alone, she is a good person and tries her best … guess not everyone can be a “SAINT” like your Mom I’m sure! I will continue to pull dogs, and you can do nothing about it.
PFL knows who their true supporters are and doesn’t need to keep having to prove themselves. Stop creating so much drama and maybe everyone spend that time helping more dogs. There have been over 20 people I know that have listened to your supposed “whistle-blowing” audio file, including my dad. Not ONE of them came to the same conclusion you did from listening to the file. Of course Lux is going to be very careful about what he says – there is already a ton of controversy around gassing dogs to death – it’s terrible. He is ALWAYS very kind to the animals – again it is a job no one wants to do, but has to, because eventually someone has to do it. I know he feels bad about it enough – why would he want to say anything to you so you can pick it apart and distort it? He’s not stupid – but apparently you are from everything you say.
Your audio file just proves if you let one crazy out, the others will follow – who the hell wants to deal with that?
Grow up. The 5th grade tit for tat comments and behavior is really sad. Someone should of told your mom off a long time ago – she is absolutely insane! She is way too old to act like that!
So please, tell us, what are you REALLY trying to accomplish here by all your posts and recording skills? Obviously nothing except drama.
As for craigslist .. months before I EVEN heard of PFL or Melissa, strays that I found & posted were getting flagged ALL THE TIME in VT. Surely they weren’t by you or ANYONE in your organization… I mean out of all the users on craigslist … it must ALWAYS be PFL supporters. Bitch, please. Grow up. PFL isn’t out to get you, but apparently your paranoid thoughts convince you otherwise! Unlike you & your mom, we have better things to do that sit on CL all day and flag your posts! LOL
REAL MATURE RICK, REAL MATURE! “You guys flagged down my posts, I’ll flag down everything PFL related, that’s the price you guys get to pay for trying to keep me quiet… Can anyone post anything with the words PFL (Paws for Life) or SCDD now? :D I guess Craigslist agreed that SCDD sold animals using PFL. Or perhaps they just go tired of the 1000+ flags in 24hrs.
PFL lost Craiglist as a medium for communications, I’ll make sure every post gets flagged, theirs networks of people that have nothing better to do then flagging posts. They build communities around it. Being in the ISP business, it only takes me two clicks to share a link into said networks.”
An eye for an eye right? From the sounds of it that is what you surely believe – if that’s not crazy & immature I don’t know what is.
THE REAL ISSUE is not the pounds but the laws that governs them. If the citizens of Montreal voted enough to change that – we wouldn’t have this problem in the first place!
You are like one of those bad guys in a cartoon. The hero kills them & cuts of their head .. but they still keep yelling as their head is thrown off a cliff … =)
Lux? You mean Luc!
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From: lucarseneault
Subject:Recorded audio.
Date: Oct 22, 2010
Hello, please kindly remove the recorded audio you have posted here on youtube, as well as everywhere else you may have posted this audio clip. You have never informed me that you were recording our conversation and you have posted this on youtube without my consent.
Once again please remove this audio clip. Disregard of this request will result in involving Youtube representatives to settle the matter.
Thank you,
Luc
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Luc should of talked with your dad since he’s a lawyer! :D
We didn’t know his name was Luc until after he contacted me…
Distort what? the full audio tape from start to end? can’t go with defamation there, the recording is from start to end…
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In Quebec, defamation was originally grounded in the law inherited from France. To establish civil liability for defamation, the plaintiff must establish, on a balance of probabilities, the existence of an injury (fault), a wrongful act (damage), and of a causal connection (link of causality) between the two. A person who has made defamatory remarks will not necessarily be civilly liable for them. The plaintiff must further demonstrate that the person who made the remarks committed a wrongful act. Defamation in Quebec is governed by a reasonableness standard, as opposed to strict liability; a defendant who made a false statement would not be held liable if it was reasonable to believe the statement was true.
— vive le quebec libre! —
The Quebec National Assembly approved an anti-SLAPP law — short for “Strategic Lawsuit Against Public Participation” — on June 3, 2009.
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Commercial competition lawsuits! think again! So what am I trying to accomplish? Simple, provide facts (the so called truth) to the public. It’s a public matter, not a commercial one. So the legal American blah blah In Quebec wont work for this reason against the competition as you claim it to be, for it to be competition Sophie would need to be a shelter, not a rescue, could be arguable, but good lawyers win if properly paid. The attacks are against the shelters for the first part, the second part is on how PFL is operating it’s rescue/business. Also in the rescue world the word competition does not exist, people who compete over who will lose his shirt first would only do this for the glory of saying look how good I am. PFL keeps bringing up this competition issue, which only happens in the business world, not when you’re saving a life.
For every animal you pull out of these high kill pounds you just re-enforce such tactics, giving people a way out. Exposing the truth and shutting down the shelters/pounds is the motive. Yes I agree that these animals would be better off loose in the city/country rather then these shelters/pounds.
As explained before, the shelters/pounds make it an option for people to dump their animals, because it’s the “cheaper” option than going to a vet, and having said animal put down if they can’t find anyone to re-home said animal…
Another problem are the billing irregularities with these pounds, there’s a reason these deals are secret. Now the Shepard family, I see tons of lawyers, great! Real estate lawyers, internet law, family law, now I see the connection with you and Melissa, it’s always the same story. My daddy is a lawyer :D I cant wait to see how fancy his letterhead is going to look once it’s sitting on my desk with the others… I’m expecting it to look much more sophisticated than the one sent by Melissa’s lawyer as it will be coming from an American law firm. We Americans do everything bigger and better than the rest of the world…
-Rick
The Supreme Court of Canada told Nicole Joncas the puppy-mill and animal laws in Quebec, was not a legal issue, but a political one. Politics are usually played on a dirty playing field. So your point is dull when talking about dirty politics towards competitors. Again, this is not a competition and there are no dirty politics being played here, just the well being of animals that are not truly being saved but just relocated for people to profit under the pretense of rescuing.
-Rick
Sophie, what the HELL is your problem? Yes my dad is VERY proud of everything I do. I try to help a good cause when I can and don’t understand your tactics. They are so childish.
What has Melissa EVER done to you besides try to save dogs? Has she ever slammed you before you started your vendetta against her? I want to know. She is just trying to save dogs – like you are, but does it a different way than how you believe it should be done.
I know you feel she is aiding the vicious cycle – but why on earth do you think she is making a profit? If the pounds up there charge a range of fees (I’ve only been to two on the list) to everyone, including the PUBLIC, why are you so upset with her? If PFL gets a cheaper rate .. what’s the big deal? She’s earned it. Obviously she isn’t making money of this.
AGAIN, the problem is the LAW needs to be changed. Yes, we ALL agree with you that this is horrible & needs to be stopped. Nonetheless, until then … there are 1,000’s of dogs that will suffer – if PFL at the very least just gives them a shot at a better life – what’s the BIG deal? I don’t get it …
The law needs to be changed so that all pounds MUST use HUMANE euthanization, not that I’m advocating killing dogs at all – it’s the people who should be fined and/or jailed for the suffering they cause. Then, the city should also FINE people & unregistered (unless they carefully selected & licensed) breeders so puppies aren’t produced like products on a assembly line, but are available for people who need certain breeds (i.e. people with severe allergies, etc). THEN they should pay the pounds MORE if homes are found (and take it out of the pull fee to help finance this) so it is more beneficial for places like S.C.D.D to find homes than to euthanize. QC should automatically have a voucher to spay/neuter your dog and if not then be fined immediately. It would be cheaper for them to pay for a vet to do this in the long run because they wouldn’t have to pay $120+ to the pounds to run their facilities.
Why not focus all your attention on the CAUSE of the problem, not just someone who is helping dogs out in the meantime? You may not agree with how she rescues dogs, but at least she is giving them a better chance to find a better life than what they would have there – a very untimely & unfair death!
I know this rift-raft conflict has been going on for some time, but as a outsider … it’s so sad. PFL would love to work with you to bring ATTENTION to the sad and tragic ending these animals face because of irresponsible owners so BOTH of us can try to change the laws. However, right now all you are doing is trying to fight us … and make it so the pounds won’t even let us help at all. For all the awesome four-legged animals sake, please don’t do that – they don’t deserve to be caught up in any type of disagreement between people. They are innocent victims.
People say things that are out of line when they are upset. It isn’t always the most mature thing to do, but I don’t get you and your cause? It just seems a little amiss – it’s like you hate us for not helping exactly the way you think it should be done.
AGAIN, we BOTH AGREE there is a problem and it needs to be changed. However, if Melissa wasn’t getting people to foster or adopt these dogs, the pounds would just adopt them to whoever walks in for the amount they charge … and those people aren’t even given a second thought of who they might be! Now THAT is scary … and very very sad.
At least with her efforts, the chances of a dog being abused or neglected go down 95%. She is not perfect, neither am I or you but we all love dogs so much that we have made it a huge part of our lives to try to help them.
I don’t want to fight you anymore over this, THAT is childish. I DO want to find a way to make the residents of QC see what is going on and try to pass STRICTER laws so that it is the people who are punished if they don’t take care of their dogs … but until we can do that – I will help her do as much as she can so that dogs (and cats) don’t have to die until people smarten up and stop buying from breeders or being irresponsible owners.
If you want to talk in person – I will glady call you. I wish to be civil, and if the conversation starts to go array, I will politely let you know I think it’s time to end our chat. I want to see your point – but so far have failed to do so … except the fact that you have dedicated over 15 yrs of your life helping dogs who had no one but you to count on for love & kindness. If you want to talk, I am extending an invite, if not – then fine. I tried.
Regardless, have a good night and despite our differences I hope your rescue goes well.
Are you all hearing what Sophie is saying here?? She is stating that these poor dogs are better off dead, to prove a point and hopefully if enough dogs will die, these pounds will evenutally close their doors.
Melissa has pulled out more dogs than any rescue I know. She is the only one stepping forward and actually helping to save these dogs. Her rescue is strictly foster home based and with the masses being saved, it is very difficult to find perfect foster home for all dogs. Sometimes it might take a dog to go through 2-3 foter homes, but if he gets adopted eventually that is MUCH better than DYING. No? Not to mention PERFECT foster homes are very hard to find considering most people work 40 hours a week.
I STILL get phone calls from pople who adopted a PFL dog who I fostered and they call me to give me updates and tell me how incredibly happy they are and how good their dog is doing. They thank Melissa for the wonderful dog she gave them. I somehow dont think that dog would have preferred being dead to “PRove a Point”.
Because of this viscious act, as we speak there are dogs that WILL DIE. Foster are backing out and are afraid to step forward and help those who are on death row. So their last moments alive will be behind bars, on cold urine stained cement, with the stench of death, disease and lonliness in the air.
But this is ok because their lives should be lost to prove a point.
Kimberly Dagenais, Sophie was asked to keep quiet, but I’m not. First of all Melissa is not who got you started but Arbed (Debra)… We know Melissa is following into Debra’s foot steps, Debra found a way to pay for her mortgage using the PFL tactics… We also suspect PFL is using the Arbed charity number and vet info for Pet Finder.
Kim we want these pounds to close their doors, it’s simple if the pound is closed the dogs don’t die in said pound… If you people agree pulling them out is saving them, preventing them from entering the pound in the first place is also saving them…The only difference here is PFL and Debra wont be able to charge referral fees for the “saving a life part” on top of the pull fees. Let alone having a secret deal with pounds that once an animal exits the pound it then belongs for PFL or etc…
If Melissa has pulled more dogs than the rest of the rescues you know, then you really don’t know that many rescues. Also PFL is not a rescue, she already breaks two of the Rescue Ethics found here -> http://www.helpinghomelesspets.com/codeofethics/canine/index.htm Paying for anything that ain’t a service fee such as vaccination and sterilization is not to be rescued, pregnant dogs are also to be aborted. But we know PFL already had litters to adopt… You might ask why not save those with cash? because of the greedy pounds, it’s keep the economy going… Every time an animal gets pulled out of these greedy pounds for cash, it makes sure these pounds will never stop or change their ways…
You might still get calls from PFL adopters, We still get calls from PFL fosters claiming the opposite… http://www.sophiesdogadoption.com/archives/1729
As for mass pulling this is what happens. http://www.sophiesdogadoption.com/Reilie/
Ever heard of Ann Gillebrand of Second Chance? that’s what happens when people try to save them all, Reilie was attacked by a pack of dogs in her rescue, and she left him to die. So yes it’s better to let a few die then to pull them out into a living hell, then having them live with their skin hanging off their back for days. Look at the pictures above for Reilie, that is living hell, living in a pound is no worse than a human in jail. Look up the court case and news paper regarding Gillebrand. Reilie was another dog Sophie had to rescue from a so called “rescuer”. Should we wonder if Baby Hollywood will end up like this if Sophie ignored the last call? By the way Mellisa would be liable for any attacks and or injuries on someone caused by a PFL dog prior to adoption, regardless of the notarized contract you might have.
http://www.sophiesdogadoption.com/archives/1729
http://www.sophiesdogadoption.com/Reilie/
-Rick
Why did you feel it necessary to use my full name? Because you think I am trying to hide who I am? Is that the only way you feel you can get your point accross? By making people feel like you have outed them?
Whats your point on using my full name, RICK? Explain THAT since you have no poblem explaining other things.
Oh an before you bring up I have something to hide, I purposely posted with Kimberly Dee so people COULD identify me. My full name is not posted on Facebook, therefor I used my Facebook name .
I have nothing to hide there, buddy. Quit the “Invesstigative” tactic. It does nothing for you and It proves you have nothing better to do with your time.
So who is right then? Since you get complaints about PFL and I get compliments about PFL… who should the point go to?
What about Sophie’s? Have there never been any complaints about Sophie’s? In 15 years of Rescue, You guy’s only became a registered charity 3 years ago. So Charity numbers dont have much to do with it when it comes to reputible rescues right??
As for how many rescues I have dealt with, what does that have to do with anything? Do I really have to deal with every recue in montreal in order to be able to judge that?
Include all the links you want. Try to divert reader’s attention with your fancy links and copy and paste work. It fact remains that the bottom line is:
Sophie Fournier and her SON, RICK ( I dont know his last name and nor do I care – My life isnt more complete knowing), think the dogs at SCDD should die to prove a point, that PFL is a scam.
The bottom line is not because PFL is a scam, if you you’re to ignorant to figure out that sending HUMANS to the pound ain’t saving lives as well, and that PFL is the only way to save these death row dogs, means you still don’t understand anything.
So people know you in the rescue world under the facebook alias of Kimberly Dee, which means people who “know you” really know a facebook name and not a person.
In rescue, we don’t hide our identity or use aliases, whether you wish to do that in your private life is one thing, but people who deal with you in rescue should know exactly who Kimberly Dee is, especially since she has strong opinions on the subject and is such an expert after 3 years of experience with a group who has no clue as to how much they are really hurting the animals.
Sophie’s Dog Adoption has never hidden her identity, phone number, remained secretive under an alias, she is Sophie Fournier and proud that people know who she is and what she is truly doing for the animals.
Mass pulling in your eyes is the most wonderful and glorious thing you guys can do, as you specifically point out that Melissa and her group have pulled out more dogs in 3 years than all the combined rescues over the last 15 years.
So fame and glory is what you guys are all about, as this has NEVER been about “competition” on who pulls more, but about the quality of life you are exposing these dogs to.
You seem to be reading between the lines.
-Rick
Complaints and complements: every rescue gets them.
However: PFL complaints have been from people needing help with a dog they wanted to save and are now stuck with a problem of sorts. PFL compliments are from caring and loving people who are thankful to PFL for saving their dogs life.
Now: Sophie’s Dog Adoption complaints are from people who find her too picky before she lets them adopt, people who have returned dogs for stupid reasons and feel that she makes them look bad, and I have to admit they odd time when she basically loses her temper with stupid people and has been refereed to as a bitch. Sophie sings the Bitch is back as I write this…
Sophie’s Dog Adoption compliments are from people who have or do foster for her, people who adopted through her and respect and admire the screening and very strict contract they must abide by. They can only imagine what could of happened if Sophie had not stepped up to save that life.
Never have people complained about Sophie’s Dog Adoption in regards to the lack of responsibility, financial loss on their end, medical emergencies, having to make arrangements for their foster while they either go away, are stick, etc… Sophie is in her car within an hour to pick up said foster dog. Not only can she be reached by e-mail, she also has two numbers the foster homes have, one for general information where they can leave a message, the other her cell phone to be used for emergencies.
Does PFL have that? NO. People have to rely on Sophie to come to their rescue. I may be her son, but I have seen it again and again and I remember several years back having her deal with the same situations from a group who called themselves Little Angels.
-Rick
Oh and BTW, mr I like to investigate into secrets that arent really secrets at all, Melissa DID get me started into rescue. Not Debra. I met debra THROUGH melissa.
As for getting your name and wasting my time, your full name is on the e-mail you use to post comments with. If people don’t notice it when you e-mail or post comments, well I do… You gave it to me, I didn’t have to go looking for it…
As for Debra and Melissa, either way since it’s just your word over someone else, means you have only been involved with rescues in the last 3 years, which means you really have seen very little of what really goes on behind closed doors.
-Rick
Wrong again. Ive been involved in rescue for almost 5 years now.
As for me using an Alias, I only use an alias on my personal facebook page. Everyone I deal with in rescue, all know my full name, address, and phone number. Since I am a full time foster home, they need all that information. Not to mention I have nothing to hide from them.
Why you believed YOU had to make the decision to “OUT” me is beyond me. Did it make you feel less threatened? Also, I am NOT part of PFL. I am a full time foster for several rescues. I take in dogs from whatever rescue needs help if I can. I would even take in a dog to help Sophie’s if there was a need.
Either way, Im done arguing with you. Its obvious what your motive is, regardless of all your alleged facts. I have nothing to hide and will continue to help whichever rescues need nelp. In the end I do not believe dogs should die in gas chambers to make a point. So I will stand by PFL and help any way I can.
If I outed you it means you do have something to hide, otherwise you wouldn’t care about it.
As for 3 years and 5 years, no one in the rescue world really knew who Melissa was before September 2007 *3 years ago*, that is when she called Sophie asking for help as she had just purchased a litter of 7 puppies *known as the 7 / 11 gang*, all 7 were adopted out by Sophie’s Dog Adoption, she called Sophie in September asking for help in placing these pups, and didn’t know what to feed them. That was the year Sophie had no car, so Melissa drove down to Sophie’s. 1 of the 7 contracts still remains in legal limbo.
So who exactly got you started 5 years ago before Melissa was around and involved in dog rescue, *yes she was involved in cat rescue before* but still unknown to others. Now 5 years in 2005 is when Debra took Pitbulls out of Ontario and called Quebec the trashcan for the unwanted Pit’s being dumped from Ontario because of the new Pitbull ban. Sophie knows as Debra drove some of these Pits to Sophie as no one else took in Pits until PFL came around in 2007/2010.
So again, prior to 2007 no one knew Melissa… I have the contracts on my desk right now of the 7 11’s…
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Paws for Life (pawsforliferescue.ca)
Domain name: pawsforliferescue.ca
Domain status: registered
Creation date: 2010/04/19
Expiry date: 2011/04/19
2010… is when she registered the website…
Domain Name: ARBEDRESCUE.COM
Registrar: GODADDY.COM, INC.
Whois Server: whois.godaddy.com
Referral URL: http://registrar.godaddy.com
Name Server: NS1.WEBBERCAST.COM
Name Server: NS2.WEBBERCAST.COM
Status: clientDeleteProhibited
Status: clientRenewProhibited
Status: clientTransferProhibited
Status: clientUpdateProhibited
Updated Date: 25-jun-2010
Creation Date: 17-jun-2010
Expiration Date: 17-jun-2011
Again 2010… is when that website was registered…
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Arbed Rescue
BN/Registration Number: 858721061RR0001
Charity Status: Registered
Effective Date of Status: 2009-09-28
Designation Description: Charitable Organization
Charity Type: Benefits to the Community & Other
Category: Protection of Animals
2009, so that’s as far back as it goes on paper… but we all know Debra has been pulling dogs from death row for much longer than 09 as far back as 05 and 03…
Domain Name: SOPHIESDOGADOPTION.COM
Registrar: GODADDY.COM, INC.
Whois Server: whois.godaddy.com
Referral URL: http://registrar.godaddy.com
Name Server: NS0.RIMASEC.NET
Name Server: NS1.RIMASEC.NET
Status: clientDeleteProhibited
Status: clientRenewProhibited
Status: clientTransferProhibited
Status: clientUpdateProhibited
Updated Date: 15-may-2010
Creation Date: 14-may-2005
Expiration Date: 14-may-2011
Sophie had her website registered on it’s own in 2005, prior she was using sophie.rptn.net and sophie.rimasec.net, so we can establish everything prior to 2005 was “offline”. If I look up contracts, Sophie’s oldest dated contract is around 2001, before that she didn’t use contracts. So anything over 5 years is pointless, but in the last 5 years we can establish Melissa and PFL wasn’t around to get you started…
Another point Sophie wants me to point out is that Sophie never claimed she was a charity until she was, donations and rescue operations were done under Sophie Fournier, a physical person. When people donated to Sophie Fournier, they knew it was a personal donation without tax receipts, Melissa on the other hand is using the PFL name to get donations and once she is asked for tax receipts she then says we’re not a registered charity, but the volunteers accept donations and tell people talk to Melissa about tax receipts…
-Rick
Another fact worth pointing out is that before PFL, SCDD dealt with Debra and the Watch Dog Committee, so when SCDD says it’s the first time we try this with a rescue, that’s false… So who caused the crap they had to deal with previously Debra and the Watch Dog Committee? Maybe that’s why PFL came to the rescue (to keep the pound industry going), since SCDD no longer wanted to deal with the above mentioned names…
-Rick
Ok are you trying to prove it was Debra who got me started in Rescue? Are you trying to prove Im lying? Are your trying to prove Melissa has been around les time than I think? Or are you just bored? I dont care when Melissa contacted Sophie, I know Who got me started in rescue and I know when. I have emails to prove it too. What does it even matter to you anyway. Is that the issue at hand?
A for me thinking I was outed, Umm, you are the one who felt it wa necessary to bring up my full name. For some weird reason. Insecurity I guess? I have said I have nothing to hide and I dont. As for how you got my full name from my email that I gave you… Didnt I put my email addres in the box that says ; “will not be published”? One would think that that little “Disclaimer” means there is some type of privacy. Well from you announcing that my full name is in my email address, doesnt that breach your privacy statement somehow?
Yep a Trustworthy bunch of people on here. Anyway, I really dont care to keep feeding your need to argue. Its beyond me and I am merely a volunteer and a foster home. I have nothing to prove to you, because you really are nothing to me.
G’night, fella!
What e-mail? is it a hotmail? gmail? videotron? I just used your name, as I don’t like talking to aliases.
As for this little box saying your address will not be publish we already went through this on the Shadow posts when I exposed a government employee, it’s not published for spam reasons, and it has nothing to do with privacy. Your address was also never published by the “system” when you posted the comment, but as the site administrator I get a copy of each comment in e-mail form with the senders IP and E-Mail address to make sure I can identify said person if need be, as I have to legally keep such records for 3 years in case of legal matters with identify fraud.
I see everything that goes on as I own the server, host the site, and maintain it for Sophie. I’m the one who can trash and prevent you from posting on this site if I so desired. Ever wonder why I don’t? You people keep shooting yourselves in the foot with each comments you post, as I don’t always have the full facts, but by the end of it all, you guys always spill the beans…
Also why do you keep answering my questions with questions? I’m answering your questions, the least you could do is answer mine. You’re the one who posted a comment trying to prove a point to us.
Sophie is doing her thing and that’s rescuing dogs, do you think a 50 year old can do this on the web and facebook, tweeting away on her broom stick! That’s me I’m the cyber geeky son, Sophie has a hard time just logging on to facebook. She never wanted anything to do with this as she doesn’t get this internet crap. This online drama all started because of a Shadow post, when the “PFL” crowd started wasting their time online, I don’t rescue dogs, Sophie does, I run web sites, design games, and etc… So I have the luxury of helping Sophie out while doing my own thing. After all, the internet is what pays the bills, not rescuing…
-Rick
Can you please send me a mail. I genuinely like your style.
Working undercover in Canada for the CBC as long as the person recording is part of the conversation there is no need to worry. Our lawyers combed through this very carefully. Leave the video UP. No one can sue you.
PFL as of last fall was not giving receipts…but has a contract???
Yea no receipts and you could say no contract, its not a signed paper but an email that acts as a contract.
-Rick
I am 100% behind you I recently turned to them not knowing anything about previous complaints only to discover myself just how rude and demeaning paws for Life can be. I can prove all of what I am saying as I have it in writting. So Im sorry amongst many other groups this is one group that has no right to be claiming as saving dogs as their tactics are deceitful and just plain wrong!!!!!!
Hello, I’ve come to deal with PFL for one of my dog… It all started when me and my partner decided to look for a dog, since we’ve both always had rescued dogs we decided to go for it again. We filled a form in october with PFL for a Bernese that was posted on petfinder as “to be euthanized”. They replied the dog was adopted but had us filled an adoption form anyway. it ended there we never heard from them, until we got an email 2 months later, saying they had a dog for us and we had to take it NOW (as in “the middle of the afternoon” or else…). Since we had adopted another dog from another rescue since then, we proposed to foster the dog they were offering us until they find him a home. Was supposed to be only a foster (although we’d have to personally provide food and all other supplies for the dog until he was adopted). Of course, our heart melted and we decided we wanted to adopt the dog. This is when I jumped!! First we were told the adoption fee would be 300$ (was supposed to include vet and health check up). Then in the same day, the adoption fee went up to 500$?!? Why? Yeah we were adopting a purebreed CKC registered bernese, but he was also up-to-date with all his shots and already neuteured from his previous owners (they left him at the pound with all his vet bills and original papers). He didn’t require any veting!!! We even paid a the visit to our vet because he had kennel cough. PFL eventually substracted the amount we paid at the vet.. So we were down to 425$, for a dog they never put a penny on except the release fee at the pound in St-Hubert. What do we do? We already had a Bernese we adopted previously, the same age and they were getting along so well… We paid… when you fall in love… I have no problem donating to rescues, even that amount, more if necessary, but when I’m told it’s exclusively to cover vet and cares for a dog that obviously didn’t require any cares at all, I have a problem!!! Where did the money go? is PFL registered as a non profit organisation? are they even simply registered as a rescue?? The more time goes, the more I am starting to be very curious about this “organisation”…